• CommentAuthorHolly
    • CommentTimeMay 20th 2009
     # 1
    One of the problems with the basic game is that it's very open to one player grabbing the tripod and running off, and some of the players feeling peripheral or not having anything to do. Should there be more roles for specific players? Different jobs to do? The traitors were a step towards this, as were the encoded clues, but should it be clearer, more extensive? What should the different team members be doing?
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      CommentAuthorbenhenley
    • CommentTimeMay 23rd 2009
     # 2
    See my comment at http://ludocity.org/forum/discussion/37/surveillance-playmakers-03/#Comment_161 for my suggestion about this... Plus your excellent IR beacons idea.
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      CommentAuthorgenzaichi
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2009
     # 3
    I just did a project in a primary school where, on the first day, we needed to 'scan' the school grounds with The Anticipator to find out where something awesome was going to happen soon.

    I was working with 60 7 year-olds in groups of 5 and I wanted to throw them straight into a situation where they all had an important role to play and where it was also critical that they worked as a team.



    1 child on each of the two carrying handles for the main (and *unbelievably* expensive, my boss will kill me if we break it) detectory bit; 1 child carrying the display unit (attached to the detectory bit with wires), 1 child reading how many LEDs are lit up and another doing the map-reading. Sorted.

    What happens if you remote the battery to the video cameras on a cable with a couple of push-to-make switches along its length? Someone's got to keep each switch pushed down or else the camera switches off.

    Same sort of idea could be used to trigger loud noises or flashy lights if all switches aren't kept held down all of the time. Could be a relatively easy way to turn the tripod-carrying role into one that needs a few people working (and walking) together.
    • CommentAuthorLoose
    • CommentTimeJun 2nd 2009
     # 4
    I am pro tying people together (!) with ribbons so that the team has to stay as a unit. Maybe wrist to wrist.

    I think there also might be something in giving people responsibilities for another player on the same team. Maybe family roles - mum, dad, great aunt, godfather etc etc. This could be something to add a narrative if that is something you are looking for and give people characters to think about and indulge in. I think it could be a way of holding the team together and also help to avoid players leaving the game before it's over, as players won't want to disappoint the person who is looking after them or will be encouraged not to by their partner.
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      CommentAuthorgenzaichi
    • CommentTimeJun 2nd 2009
     # 5
    Ribbons!?
    I bought a 40m rope to experiment with :)
    • CommentAuthorLoose
    • CommentTimeJun 2nd 2009
     # 6
    How about experimenting with some superglue :)
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      CommentAuthorgenzaichi
    • CommentTimeJun 2nd 2009
     # 7
    Yikes! The consequences of that could be horrific: imagine if you ended up having to permanently wear your sports bib...
    • CommentAuthorApolobamba
    • CommentTimeJun 2nd 2009 edited
     # 8
    I played (and enjoyed) Playmakers at the BFI, but I do agree that there needs to be something to encourage inclusion of all - or most - of the players.

    The main risk, as stated above, seems to be that brilliant as it is to get a whole range of ages involved a few adults take the camera at the start and bang! no one else gets a look in...

    I'm not convinced that there was enough time/incentive to solve the puzzles set at the BFI playtest but I definitely liked the fact that there were mental as well as physical ways to contribute - if this can be retained I think it would be a positive addition.

    Regarding possible amendments, I'm not sure where is it mentioned, but I like the idea of having an anchor in each shot, as well as the 'push to make' circuits - I can imagine that creating a lot of laughter.

    I also think that you need something which ensures the camera is passed around as well as shared - would it work, perhaps, to keep back three different tream members at each phase in the game and give them responsibility for solving a set of puzzles?

    Or, given this is already a fairly high-tech game, how about some sort of GPS tracking and have the comms officer/s (again, mentioned above I think) trying to guide their team by radio away from/towards the others teams, and perhaps even towards some moving film-targets??

    That may shift all the power to the radio operators so (and apologies, I'm now thinking as I type) elements of the Capitain Madigan 'real computer game' in the East end last year but of that might work - perhaps if, instead of traitors, a few people were given radios/text devices, screens/pages identifying the teams' locations/target sites, with only minimal guidance? They would not know what the indicated sites actually were, and need to work out what team they were on, what the sites were etc with the teams themselves... If they worked it out maybe they could somehow give their team an advantage...
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      CommentAuthorgenzaichi
    • CommentTimeJun 11th 2009
     # 9
    Had a quick tinker with chains of people, loud noises and flashy lights:
    http://www.npugh.co.uk/blog/loudnoisesandflashinglights/

    (scroll down for short video of test run)
    • CommentAuthorHolly
    • CommentTimeJun 11th 2009
     # 10
    This is gorgeous! My goodness, you'd definitely want a big pedestrianised area to use them in, funny though it would be to make people try to play with them in Soho.
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      CommentAuthorgenzaichi
    • CommentTimeJun 12th 2009
     # 11
    ...or a district full of light industrial factories that's deserted at the weekends Birmingham's cultural quarter...

    Sadly I don't have the components to make a chain of switches for an entire team, but at Sunday's Market Pong event we'll be trying out players-on-a-rope with the two Synapses I now have.
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      CommentAuthorbenhenley
    • CommentTimeJun 15th 2009
     # 12
    An interesting idea was suggested by the "storytelling" group during the Playmakers session - how about if the camera was on a trolley?

    This was suggested as part of a potential Orwellian 1984 theme, where clunky technology would be thematically appropriate (so possibly the camera would be mounted inside a big old video camera shell, and there would be a teleprinter and so on attached). But using a heavy, clunky trolley would force the players to be more collaborative, avoiding the "drunk man steals camera" issue. Ideally, the camera would be on a motorised swivel and one player on the team would have a remote control to make it turn left or right.

    If the playing area has stairs, you could even force the players to lay a ramp.

    Or how about the camera is connected to base by a long "power cable", which the team have to keep from snagging?
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      CommentAuthorKevan
    • CommentTimeJun 15th 2009
     # 13
    Slowing the camera down would definitely fix the drunk problem, and would probably increase the surveillance aspect. With the cameras being more vulnerable, teams would need to be more careful crossing open spaces - normally you'd sprint through and maybe give a rival surveilling team a couple of points in the process, but if you had to spend ten slow seconds dragging the camera across, that becomes a much bigger reward for your rivals. (And the fact that this greater reward now exists would give some weight to the strategy of camping out in a good spot.)

    If you wanted to go a little higher in the tech, accelerometers are pretty cheap, and you'd be able to enforce a completely fair speed limit. Have a row of LEDs attached to the device to show the players how fast it's going - whenever it hits the red zone, then a buzzer sounds once per second (which obviously gets picked up by the mic) and the team gets one penalty point per buzz.
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      CommentAuthorbenhenley
    • CommentTimeJun 15th 2009
     # 14
    The accelerometer idea is nice - and probably safer for the players than making the trolley really heavy/bulky.
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      CommentAuthorgenzaichi
    • CommentTimeJun 15th 2009
     # 15
    I'd arrived at the trolley idea yesterday too - though from the direction of having a fixed camera angle on the players moving the trolley to ensure that they were always in shot. (We did a quick test with a string of runners with the camera being held by the last in the line - was wondering how a rigid 'string' would affect things.)

    Made me think of this project some friends did a couple of years ago where the trolley had blackboard bits that were annotated as the trolley was wheeled around the city:
    http://aasgroup.net/info/pictures/rls1.jpg
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      CommentAuthorbenhenley
    • CommentTimeJun 15th 2009
     # 16
    While discussing how to play up the "dystopian surveillance" theme a bit more, I wondered if it might be interesting to have a second camera pointing backwards and recording what the players were doing (maybe even hidden so they aren't aware of it?). The footage wouldn't be for scoring, but just to improve the coverage of their reactions, making the edited footage of the game more interesting (and informative to game designers).
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